RENKO charts extreme lagging behind Candle Charts and Last Price...

Thank you @rad14733 and @BenTen for all your insights!

I guess, moving forward, I just need to be cognizant that any “charting representation” on the TOS platform will be showing information that is no longer valid at the time of entries/exits due to the “severe” delays it portrays (at least 3 sec delay by default). Then, as a consequence, the trading system and analysis will be faulty and lead to losses. As the saying goes: Caveat Emptor! ;-)
 
Thank you @rad14733 and @BenTen for all your insights!

I guess, moving forward, I just need to be cognizant that any “charting representation” on the TOS platform will be showing information that is no longer valid at the time of entries/exits due to the “severe” delays it portrays (at least 3 sec delay by default). Then, as a consequence, the trading system and analysis will be faulty and lead to losses. As the saying goes: Caveat Emptor! ;-)

It is a matter of understanding their purpose.
On retail platforms, RENKO and Heiken Ashi are not meant to represent real price.
They are used on your higher intraday charts for your multi-chart analysis:
Backtesting​
Swing structure​
Clean visual trends​
Raw candles and monkey bars are provided for:
Real‑time scalping​
Fast markets​
Open volatility​
Tick‑heavy symbols like SPY​

You can get what you want from Sierra and MotiveWave apps.
They are true tick engines vs. ToS-simulated tick engine
Their Renko bricks are built directly from the raw tick stream.
Thus, their apps are built toward
futures traders​
scalpers​
prop shops​
high-frequency discretionary traders​

Thinkorswim was built for
options traders​
swing traders​
retail daytraders​
Its priority is accessibility and features, not raw speed.

Hope this helps.
 
It is a matter of understanding their purpose.
On retail platforms, RENKO and Heiken Ashi are not meant to represent real price.
They are used on your higher intraday charts for your multi-chart analysis:
Backtesting​
Swing structure​
Clean visual trends​
Raw candles and monkey bars are provided for:
Real‑time scalping​
Fast markets​
Open volatility​
Tick‑heavy symbols like SPY​

You can get what you want from Sierra and MotiveWave apps.
They are true tick engines vs. ToS-simulated tick engine
Their Renko bricks are built directly from the raw tick stream.
Thus, their apps are built toward
futures traders​
scalpers​
prop shops​
high-frequency discretionary traders​

Thinkorswim was built for
options traders​
swing traders​
retail daytraders​
Its priority is accessibility and features, not raw speed.

Hope this helps.
This is very helpful and I will take a look into those venues! Much appreciated, @merryDay.
 
Hey guys, I'm having an issue I've been noticing the past couple of days and could be why it seems like I've been getting some pretty ****y order fills. I noticed, today worse than ever, my RENKO charts lagging behind candle charts and the last price by as long as approximately 30 seconds. The effect is periodic and seems to possibly occur when volume is higher on larger candlesticks. Eventually price on the RENKO does catch back up, but the effect is pretty much enough to make RENKO useless for trading/scalping. At times, today, there were price differences well over $1. (I snapped a couple crappy pics on my phone, see below)

Some things I was able to check while it occurred:
-This occurs whether or not RENKO or Candles are on the main FlexGrid screen or detached screens.
-None of my custom studies on the RENKO charts have the complexity warning icon
-The middle RENKO chart in my study below uses mostly different studies.
-PS I have realtime data connected :p
-Also I have 64gb of RAM and my Memory Usage is set at 8192-9152Mb

Here is my flexible chart grid: http://tos.mx/SsKkSnm

I contacted TOS support, but I was a bit late trying to figure out what was going on and prices had mostly corrected themselves by then. They were unable to witness it and mentioned I should try to restart my modem/router, which I did, but it seems to me that as the candles were providing the correct price, this shouldn't be an internet/connectivity issue- correct?

Any light you guys can shed or similar experiences, much appreciated- thanks

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Renko charts must lag candlesticks in certain environments because of how they are constructed.
When Renko Lags Most

It lags heavily during:
  • Breakouts from compression
  • Volatility regime shifts
  • Gap days
  • Parabolic moves
It works best during:
  • Slow grind trends
  • Low-vol consolidation
  • Mean-reverting markets
Advanced Insight is that Renko is effectively a price-based low-pass filter. Low-pass filters remove noise but introduce phase delay. You cannot eliminate both noise and lag. It’s a mathematical trade-off.
BIG TIP!!!! Never rely solely on Renko for entries when you are short gamma!!!!!
 
Renko charts must lag candlesticks in certain environments because of how they are constructed.
When Renko Lags Most

It lags heavily during:
  • Breakouts from compression
  • Volatility regime shifts
  • Gap days
  • Parabolic moves
It works best during:
  • Slow grind trends
  • Low-vol consolidation
  • Mean-reverting markets
Advanced Insight is that Renko is effectively a price-based low-pass filter. Low-pass filters remove noise but introduce phase delay. You cannot eliminate both noise and lag. It’s a mathematical trade-off.
BIG TIP!!!! Never rely solely on Renko for entries when you are short gamma!!!!!
@antwerks, I also appreciate your insights!

My confusion was not related to the construction of the Renko charts but related tot he fact that the price line (or quoted price) on the Renko chart configuration was different than the price line (or quoted price) on the Bar chart when volatility picked up. From my understanding, the price line (or quoted price) was supposed to synchronize independent of the chart configuration.

This past week, I submit a case to the TOS Tech Team. I am still not sure if they had a chance to address it; however, today, the price line (or quoted price) synchronized properly across the Renko and Bar charts even when volatility picked up.

Now, given the negative experience I have faced with the disparity in quoted prices for the same instrument across different TOS charts, I became skeptical wondering if the system can be individually targeted to release quoted prices with greater delays than the default of 3 secs. Given that, moving forward, I will have to verify the quoted prices on the TOS platform against the quoted prices on different trading platforms so I can eliminate this concern. At this point, I just hope I will find "synchronicity".
 
@antwerks, I also appreciate your insights!

My confusion was not related to the construction of the Renko charts but related tot he fact that the price line (or quoted price) on the Renko chart configuration was different than the price line (or quoted price) on the Bar chart when volatility picked up. From my understanding, the price line (or quoted price) was supposed to synchronize independent of the chart configuration.

This past week, I submit a case to the TOS Tech Team. I am still not sure if they had a chance to address it; however, today, the price line (or quoted price) synchronized properly across the Renko and Bar charts even when volatility picked up.

Now, given the negative experience I have faced with the disparity in quoted prices for the same instrument across different TOS charts, I became skeptical wondering if the system can be individually targeted to release quoted prices with greater delays than the default of 3 secs. Given that, moving forward, I will have to verify the quoted prices on the TOS platform against the quoted prices on different trading platforms so I can eliminate this concern. At this point, I just hope I will find "synchronicity".
I think I see what you’re describing and that’s a very different issue than Renko construction lag.
Renko bricks can absolutely lag because of their filtering logic, but the quoted price (last trade) should not be different across chart types if both charts are:
• Using the same aggregation
• Using the same price source (Last vs Mark vs Bid/Ask)
• On the same time setting

What likely happened during volatility was one of these:
  1. Renko brick completion logic
    Renko does not print a new brick until price moves a full brick size. The “price line” can appear to stick to the last completed brick even though the underlying last trade is moving.
  2. Different price source setting
    One chart might have been showing “Last,” another “Mark” or “Bid.” During volatility, those diverge more noticeably.
  3. Aggregation recalculation lag
    When volatility spikes, TOS can momentarily lag recalculating synthetic chart types (Renko, Range, Heikin Ashi). The time-based chart updates first because it’s simpler.
  4. Extended hours setting mismatch
    If one chart includes extended hours and the other doesn’t, the quote can appear out of sync.

What is extremely unlikely is selective price delay targeting.

TOS distributes market data feed uniformly. The platform doesn’t selectively delay individual symbols or individual users, that would violate exchange data distribution rules and be a regulatory nightmare.

If you were truly seeing different last prices across charts for more than a brief refresh lag, that would be a display rendering issue, not a feed manipulation issue.

A good sanity check during volatility is:
• Open the Level II window
• Open Time & Sales
• Compare last trade print

That is the raw feed. If those match across charts, the feed is synchronized.

Renko just visually “locks” to brick logic, which can make it appear out of sync during fast moves.

Also, during high volatility, TOS sometimes briefly throttles UI refresh to preserve stability. That’s a performance behavior, not a data delay.

Your instinct to cross-check platforms is smart risk hygiene — but I would treat this as a rendering/aggregation issue, not a data integrity issue.

The important takeaway:
Renko is synthetic price representation.
Time-based charts show actual last trade movement continuously.

They will always feel different during volatility expansion.
And this is exactly why Renko should not be relied on alone when you’re short gamma — because during regime shifts, representation matters.

I do not think this is what you wanted to hear, wish I had the right answer for you!!!
 

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