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I have reached MY answer to an important question, and I am not alone in asking it — many experienced traders here on this site eventually reach this exact realization,

Most indicators are derived from the same data (price and volume), and many are just variations of each other — meaning they tend to behave similarly, especially during the same market regimes.

I have written or adjusted over 200 scripts in the 2 years I have started using TOS. I have in theory made a “sandwich” about as many ways there is to make a “sandwich” and I have come to realize, even though one may taste better to me than others, that they are all the same “sandwich”.

Why Many Indicators "Act the Same"
  1. They’re all based on price and/or volume.
Whether it's RSI, MACD, Stochastic, or CCI, they're just manipulating highs, lows, closes, averages, and ranges.
Most of them are just different smoothing techniques applied to price behavior.
  1. Indicators lag — and they often confirm the same thing.
Many indicators are reactive, not predictive. They confirm momentum, trend, or volatility after price moves. (Like reading the Wall Street Journal and thinking you are now ready for tomorrow trading, lol, NOT)
  1. Multiple indicators ≠ more signal.
Using 5 indicators that say “overbought” doesn’t give you 5x the certainty — just the same information 5 times.

So Should You Use Just 1–2 Indicators?
In many cases, yes — but with intentional diversity. Ideally, you want one indicator per category:

CategoryUse One ToolExamples
TrendDirectional biasMoving Average, ADX
MomentumStrength of price movementRSI, MACD, Stochastic
VolatilityExpansion/contractionATR, Bollinger Bands
Volume-basedConfirmation of price movesOBV, VWAP, Accum/Distrib
Price actionStructure/patternsCandlesticks, pivots, HH/LLs

The Ideal Setup for Clarity
You don’t need 10 indicators — but you do need balance and context. Here’s an example minimalist but high-signal setup:
  1. Price Action + EMAs – tells you trend and structure.
  2. RSI or Stochastic – shows momentum + potential reversal points.
  3. Volume or VWAP – confirms participation.
That’s it. Everything else can clutter, not clarify.

My Final Thought
Instead of stacking indicators, stack edges from different dimensions- price structure, momentum, volatility, and volume. (Maybe throw in MTF for another level of validations)

I have developed a Studies Set, but it includes some VIP scripts that I can not share here. This set has done very well this week and will need others to use it to validate its success rate and profit ratio. My suggestion is you join the VIP section, cheap for what you get. I will be writing up directions for use soon. (the only thing extra I might add are the previous day high and lows, they seem 50% of the time to act as support and resistances)

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mod note:
To read more about the importance of non-collinear indicators when creating a strategy:
https://usethinkscript.com/threads/...nt-to-successful-trading-in-thinkorswim.6114/
 
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I have reached MY answer to an important question, and I am not alone in asking it — many experienced traders here on this site eventually reach this exact realization,

Most indicators are derived from the same data (price and volume), and many are just variations of each other — meaning they tend to behave similarly, especially during the same market regimes.

I have written or adjusted over 200 scripts in the 2 years I have started using TOS. I have in theory made a “sandwich” about as many ways there is to make a “sandwich” and I have come to realize, even though one may taste better to me than others, that they are all the same “sandwich”.

Why Many Indicators "Act the Same"
  1. They’re all based on price and/or volume.
Whether it's RSI, MACD, Stochastic, or CCI, they're just manipulating highs, lows, closes, averages, and ranges.
Most of them are just different smoothing techniques applied to price behavior.
  1. Indicators lag — and they often confirm the same thing.
Many indicators are reactive, not predictive. They confirm momentum, trend, or volatility after price moves. (Like reading the Wall Street Journal and thinking you are now ready for tomorrow trading, lol, NOT)
  1. Multiple indicators ≠ more signal.
Using 5 indicators that say “overbought” doesn’t give you 5x the certainty — just the same information 5 times.

So Should You Use Just 1–2 Indicators?
In many cases, yes — but with intentional diversity. Ideally, you want one indicator per category:

CategoryUse One ToolExamples
TrendDirectional biasMoving Average, ADX
MomentumStrength of price movementRSI, MACD, Stochastic
VolatilityExpansion/contractionATR, Bollinger Bands
Volume-basedConfirmation of price movesOBV, VWAP, Accum/Distrib
Price actionStructure/patternsCandlesticks, pivots, HH/LLs

The Ideal Setup for Clarity
You don’t need 10 indicators — but you do need balance and context. Here’s an example minimalist but high-signal setup:
  1. Price Action + EMAs – tells you trend and structure.
  2. RSI or Stochastic – shows momentum + potential reversal points.
  3. Volume or VWAP – confirms participation.
That’s it. Everything else can clutter, not clarify.

My Final Thought
Instead of stacking indicators, stack edges from different dimensions- price structure, momentum, volatility, and volume. (Maybe throw in MTF for another level of validations)

I have developed a Studies Set, but it includes some VIP scripts that I can not share here. This set has done very well this week and will need others to use it to validate its success rate and profit ratio. My suggestion is you join the VIP section, cheap for what you get. I will be writing up directions for use soon. (the only thing extra I might add are the previous day high and lows, they seem 50% of the time to act as support and resistances)

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mod note:
Nice commentary from antwerks and a few thoughts of my own. One of the reasons that many indicators "Act the same" is because stocks act the same as they only have three paths to travel i.e. Up/Down/Sideways. Even the market doesn't know and gives it a 50 Delta for ATM with a 50% chance of moving either way. It's true that indicators often confirm the same thing and it's that confirmation that give a clue to its future possible move. The goal should be (IMHO) to have a chart set-up that is pleasing to the eye and is easy to follow (similar to my AGAIG charts which I find very helpful in the trading process.

I was also interested that you have reached the "end of the world" and am wondering what you see on the other side?

Happy trading as you look at the road already traveled and seek the road ahead as the Heikin Ashi Candles and some indicators may actually provide a clue?
 
Nice commentary from antwerks and a few thoughts of my own. One of the reasons that many indicators "Act the same" is because stocks act the same as they only have three paths to travel i.e. Up/Down/Sideways. Even the market doesn't know and gives it a 50 Delta for ATM with a 50% chance of moving either way. It's true that indicators often confirm the same thing and it's that confirmation that give a clue to its future possible move. The goal should be (IMHO) to have a chart set-up that is pleasing to the eye and is easy to follow (similar to my AGAIG charts which I find very helpful in the trading process.

I was also interested that you have reached the "end of the world" and am wondering what you see on the other side?

Happy trading as you look at the road already traveled and seek the road ahead as the Heikin Ashi Candles and some indicators may actually provide a clue?
I agree—there are no fixed rules for how one should trade. As MerryDay said, find what speaks to you and avoid multicollinearity in your indicators.

Good read here:
https://usethinkscript.com/threads/...nt-to-successful-trading-in-thinkorswim.6114/
 

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