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@Mashume's Hull Moving Average Turning Points and Concavity (2nd Derivatives)
The upper study plots Hull Moving Average with the addition of colored segments representing concavity and turning points: maxima, minima and inflection.​
The lower study is a plot of the calculation used in finding the turning points (which is roughly the second derivative of the HMA function), where zero crosses are the inflection points.​
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https://usethinkscript.com/threads/hull-turning-points-concavity-questions.7847/#post-80172
# New Code To Add Alerts For When Bar Colors Go From
# Red -> Dark Green -> Green (LONG) And When They Go
# Green -> Orange -> Red (SHORT).
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Upper HMA colors:
  • Green: Concave Up but HMA decreasing. The 'mood' has changed and the declining trend of the HMA is slowing. Long trades were entered at the turning point
  • Light Green: Concave up and HMA increasing. Price is increasing, and since the curve is still concave up, it is accelerating upward.
  • Orange: Concavity is now downward, and though price is still increasing, the rate has slowed, perhaps the mood has become less enthusiastic. We EXIT the trade (long) when this phase starts. Very little additional upward price movement is likely.
  • Red: Concave down and HMA decreasing. Not good for long trades, but get ready for a turning point to enter long on again.

Upper Label Colors:
these are useful for getting ready to enter a trade, or exit a trade and serve as warnings that a turning point may be reached soon
  • Green: Concave up and divergence (the distance from the expected HMA value to the actual HMA value is increasing). That is, we're moving away from a 2nd derivative zero crossover.
  • Yellow: Concave up but the divergence is decreasing (heading toward a 2nd derivative zero crossover); it may soon be time to exit the trade.
  • Red: Concave down and the absolute value of the divergence is increasing (moving away from crossover)
  • Pink: Concave down but approaching a zero crossover from below (remember that that is the entry signal, so pink means 'get ready').
Arrows are provided as Buy and Sell and could perhaps be scanned against.

Lower Study:
plot of the divergence from expected HMA values; analogous to the second derivative in that the zero crossovers are of interest, as is the slope of the line. The further from zero, the stronger the curve of the concavity, and the more likely to reach a local minima or maxima in short order.
The lower can give you a preview of when things might be approaching a concavity shift, and how quickly or perhaps decisively they are crossing.

mod note:
@mashume's Hull has a lag because it waits for future bars to close before it REPAINTS the perfect signal. For us, longer-term swing traders, the lag is not a barrier to using @mashume's excellent study. But for scalpers, day traders, and short-swingers, @mashume's Hull might not be an optimal choice.
 
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Issue: Conditional study-based OCO order is not executing at all (let alone at desired entry point) and just sits unfilled riding along with market.
 
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dannyboi11 said:
@halcyonguy

apologies, I'm trying to learn what I'm still doing wrong. Regardless of the code needing to be worked through, I am just still struggling getting the OCO to execute using the updated lower study that you provided. When setting up the conditional order, I have it set up with the same market order rules and then the condition being that when the study plots z as true within 1 bar, but its not executing. I have tried setting it up also as the plot z equal to Value 1 within 1 bar but also fails. Would you mind please letting me know what I could be doing wrong? Again, not even considering having to work on the code, just trying to learn conceptually what I'm doing wrong to not have the OCO execute at all. Thank you for your help.
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You seem to be having difficulty following the instructions provided here:
https://usethinkscript.com/threads/...avity-for-thinkorswim.7847/page-3#post-120489

So to start, we have deleted @halcyonguy's post as it may have added to the confusion.
Let's go over a couple of important points to keep in mind:
  1. As it was explained before, using the signal within 1 bar is not allowed since the signal did not occur within 1 bar. Change to: within 2 bars.
  2. Before you start writing an OCO, it's important to make sure that you are getting valid results in both the scanner test and the chart alert test. You can find more details on this in the instructions here: https://usethinkscript.com/threads/answers-to-commonly-asked-questions.6006/#post-80482
We hope this clears things up a bit and helps you move forward on your quest.
 
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is that math correct on the Divergence display in AddLabel??

Ruby: 
addLabel(yes, concat("DIVERGENCE: " , divergence * 10000), color = if concavity < 0 then if divergence[1] > divergence then Color.dark_RED else color.PINK else if divergence[1] < divergence then color.dark_green else color.dark_orange);

def divergence_stddev = StandardDeviation(price = divergence, length = stddev_len);
addLabel(yes, concat("STDDEV: " , divergence_stddev * 10000), color = if absValue(divergence) > absValue(divergence_stddev) then color.blue else color.dark_gray);
 
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This is a repainting indicator. It uses future bars. Meaning, it waits until the future happens and then goes back and paints the triggers that you see on your charts.

Scripts that repaint should NOT be used in Scans, Labels, Watchlists, Alerts, Conditional Orders or Backtesting Strategies.
a. It will falsely show up in your Scans, Labels, Watchlists, Alerts, Conditional Orders or Backtesting Strategies, but the signal will not be painted on your chart. You will think the script is broken.
b. Or the opposite. It will be painted on your chart but NOT show up in your Scans, Labels, Watchlists, Alerts, Conditional Orders or Backtesting Strategies. This is because it wasn't there in real time! It was painted on afterward.
You will think the script is broken.

As stated above: this should NOT be used in Scans, Labels, Watchlists, Alerts, Conditional Orders
But if you insist, this future bar repainter can be made to work, however be aware there will be a lag which has shown to result in unprofitable trades.
The workaround: requires that you add the "within 2 bars" syntax to your statement.

Here is a scan to test for your concavities. You can use it as a basis for your Scans, Labels, Watchlists, Alerts, Conditional Orders or Backtesting Strategies.
https://usethinkscript.com/threads/...avity-2nd-derivatives.1803/page-21#post-66454


@dannyboi11 @halcyonguy @bakktrader
 
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I really like this code I tried to add a label with buy and sell signal using and have not been able to get it to work you have any ideas. I posted the code below
AddLabel(yes, " BUY ", if turning_point and concavity ==1 then CreateColor(153, 255, 153) else Color.WHITE);
 
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Hi!
I have had this particular convergence indication on my phone's TOS for a long time, and I really like it. I haven't figured out if I can get alerts for a watchlist based on this or not. I FEEL like i should be able to.

I just wanna know when a ticker crosses it on the daily. am I missing something?
Thank you!

http://tos.mx/Ghvc1KV
original code is from: https://usethinkscript.com/threads/...ng-points-and-concavity-2nd-derivatives.1803/
Ruby: 
#
# Hull Moving Average Concavity and Turning Points
#  or
# The Second Derivative of the Hull Moving Average
#
# Author: Seth Urion (Mahsume)
# Version: 2020-05-01 V4
#
# Now with support for ToS Mobile
#
# Faster, but not necessarily mathematically as good as the first
#
# This code is licensed (as applicable) under the GPL v3
#
# ----------------------


declare upper;

input price = HL2;
input HMA_Length = 55;
input lookback = 2;

plot HMA = HullMovingAvg(price = price, length = HMA_Length);

def delta = HMA[1] - HMA[lookback + 1];
def delta_per_bar = delta / lookback;

def next_bar = HMA[1] + delta_per_bar;

def concavity = if HMA > next_bar then 1 else -1;

plot turning_point = if concavity[1] != concavity then HMA else double.nan;

HMA.AssignValueColor(color = if concavity[1] == -1 then
    if HMA > HMA[1] then color.dark_orange else color.red else
    if HMA < HMA[1] then color.dark_green else color.green);

HMA.SetLineWeight(3);

turning_point.SetLineWeight(4);
turning_point.SetPaintingStrategy(paintingStrategy = PaintingStrategy.POINTS);
turning_point.SetDefaultColor(color.white);

plot MA_Max = if HMA[-1] < HMA and HMA > HMA[1] then HMA else Double.NaN;
MA_Max.SetDefaultColor(Color.WHITE);
MA_Max.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.SQUARES);
MA_Max.SetLineWeight(3);

plot MA_Min = if HMA[-1] > HMA and HMA < HMA[1] then HMA else Double.Nan;
MA_Min.SetDefaultColor(Color.WHITE);
MA_Min.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.TRIANGLES);
MA_Min.SetLineWeight(3);

plot sell = if turning_point and concavity == -1 then high else double.nan;
sell.SetDefaultColor(Color.DARK_ORANGE);
sell.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.ARROW_DOWN);
sell.SetLineWeight(3);

plot buy = if turning_point and concavity == 1 then low else double.nan;
buy.SetDefaultColor(Color.CYAN);
buy.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.ARROW_UP);
buy.SetLineWeight(3);

def divergence = HMA - next_bar;

addLabel(yes, concat("DIVERGENCE: " , divergence), color = if concavity < 0 then if divergence[1] > divergence then Color.RED else color.PINK else if divergence[1] < divergence then color.green else color.yellow);

###################
#
# ALERTS
#
###################

Alert(condition = buy, text = "Buy", "alert type" = Alert.BAR, sound = Sound.Bell);

Alert(condition = sell, text = "Sell", "alert type" = Alert.BAR, sound = Sound.Chimes);

###################
#
# 2020-05-01
#
# MOBILE TOS SUPPORT
#
# Each color of the HMA needs to be a separate plot as ToS Mobile
# lacks the ability to assign colors the way ToS Desktop does.
# I recommend a plain colored HMA behind the line
# Set the line color of the HMA above to gray or some neutral
#
# CCD_D -> ConCave Down and Decreasing
# CCD_I -> ConCave Down and Increasing
# CCU_D -> ConCave Up and Decreasing
# CCU_I -> ConCave Up and Increasing
#
###################
plot CCD_D = if concavity == -1 and HMA < HMA[1] then HMA else double.nan;
CCD_D.SetDefaultColor(Color.RED);
CCD_D.SetLineWeight(3);

plot CCD_I = if concavity == -1 and HMA >= HMA[1] then HMA else double.nan;
CCD_I.SetDefaultColor(Color.DARK_ORANGE);
CCD_I.SetLineWeight(3);

plot CCU_D = if concavity == 1 and HMA <= HMA[1] then HMA else double.nan;
CCU_D.SetDefaultColor(COLOR.DARK_GREEN);
CCU_D.SetLineWeight(3);

plot CCU_I = if concavity == 1 and HMA > HMA[1] then HMA else double.nan;
CCU_I.SetDefaultColor(COLOR.GREEN);
CCU_I.SetLineWeight(3);
 
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vro3 said:
Hi!
I have had this particular convergence indication on my phone's TOS for a long time, and I really like it. I haven't figured out if I can get alerts for a watchlist based on this or not. I FEEL like i should be able to.

I just wanna know when a ticker crosses it on the daily. am I missing something?
Thank you!

http://tos.mx/Ghvc1KV
original code is from: https://usethinkscript.com/threads/...ng-points-and-concavity-2nd-derivatives.1803/
Ruby: 
#
# Hull Moving Average Concavity and Turning Points
#  or
# The Second Derivative of the Hull Moving Average
#
# Author: Seth Urion (Mahsume)
# Version: 2020-05-01 V4
#
# Now with support for ToS Mobile
#
# Faster, but not necessarily mathematically as good as the first
#
# This code is licensed (as applicable) under the GPL v3
#
# ----------------------


declare upper;

input price = HL2;
input HMA_Length = 55;
input lookback = 2;

plot HMA = HullMovingAvg(price = price, length = HMA_Length);

def delta = HMA[1] - HMA[lookback + 1];
def delta_per_bar = delta / lookback;

def next_bar = HMA[1] + delta_per_bar;

def concavity = if HMA > next_bar then 1 else -1;

plot turning_point = if concavity[1] != concavity then HMA else double.nan;

HMA.AssignValueColor(color = if concavity[1] == -1 then
    if HMA > HMA[1] then color.dark_orange else color.red else
    if HMA < HMA[1] then color.dark_green else color.green);

HMA.SetLineWeight(3);

turning_point.SetLineWeight(4);
turning_point.SetPaintingStrategy(paintingStrategy = PaintingStrategy.POINTS);
turning_point.SetDefaultColor(color.white);

plot MA_Max = if HMA[-1] < HMA and HMA > HMA[1] then HMA else Double.NaN;
MA_Max.SetDefaultColor(Color.WHITE);
MA_Max.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.SQUARES);
MA_Max.SetLineWeight(3);

plot MA_Min = if HMA[-1] > HMA and HMA < HMA[1] then HMA else Double.Nan;
MA_Min.SetDefaultColor(Color.WHITE);
MA_Min.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.TRIANGLES);
MA_Min.SetLineWeight(3);

plot sell = if turning_point and concavity == -1 then high else double.nan;
sell.SetDefaultColor(Color.DARK_ORANGE);
sell.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.ARROW_DOWN);
sell.SetLineWeight(3);

plot buy = if turning_point and concavity == 1 then low else double.nan;
buy.SetDefaultColor(Color.CYAN);
buy.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.ARROW_UP);
buy.SetLineWeight(3);

def divergence = HMA - next_bar;

addLabel(yes, concat("DIVERGENCE: " , divergence), color = if concavity < 0 then if divergence[1] > divergence then Color.RED else color.PINK else if divergence[1] < divergence then color.green else color.yellow);

###################
#
# ALERTS
#
###################

Alert(condition = buy, text = "Buy", "alert type" = Alert.BAR, sound = Sound.Bell);

Alert(condition = sell, text = "Sell", "alert type" = Alert.BAR, sound = Sound.Chimes);

###################
#
# 2020-05-01
#
# MOBILE TOS SUPPORT
#
# Each color of the HMA needs to be a separate plot as ToS Mobile
# lacks the ability to assign colors the way ToS Desktop does.
# I recommend a plain colored HMA behind the line
# Set the line color of the HMA above to gray or some neutral
#
# CCD_D -> ConCave Down and Decreasing
# CCD_I -> ConCave Down and Increasing
# CCU_D -> ConCave Up and Decreasing
# CCU_I -> ConCave Up and Increasing
#
###################
plot CCD_D = if concavity == -1 and HMA < HMA[1] then HMA else double.nan;
CCD_D.SetDefaultColor(Color.RED);
CCD_D.SetLineWeight(3);

plot CCD_I = if concavity == -1 and HMA >= HMA[1] then HMA else double.nan;
CCD_I.SetDefaultColor(Color.DARK_ORANGE);
CCD_I.SetLineWeight(3);

plot CCU_D = if concavity == 1 and HMA <= HMA[1] then HMA else double.nan;
CCU_D.SetDefaultColor(COLOR.DARK_GREEN);
CCU_D.SetLineWeight(3);

plot CCU_I = if concavity == 1 and HMA > HMA[1] then HMA else double.nan;
CCU_I.SetDefaultColor(COLOR.GREEN);
CCU_I.SetLineWeight(3);
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This uses future bars. Meaning it waits until the future and then goes back in time to repaint the perfect signal.

Alerts work in real time on the current bar. But this signal is repainted on a past bar so the standard default alerts will not work.

However, you can search past bars for signals by adding 'within 3 bars' to your alert criteria. This works well for swing traders who are not looking to get in on a very beginning of a trend. But does not work as well for daytraders and not at all well for scalpers and traders on timeframes of 5min and less because the alert arrives too late for optimal profits.
Here is a script with the alerts:
https://usethinkscript.com/threads/...avity-2nd-derivatives.1803/page-18#post-35731
 
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Hi,
Can anybody help me to add MTF to the following HMA indicator?
Thank you so much in advance.




#Hull Moving Average Concavity and Turning Points
# or
# The Second Derivative of the Hull Moving Average
#
# Author: Seth Urion (Mahsume)
# Version: 2020-02-23 V3
# Faster, but not necessarily mathematically as good as the first
#
# This code is licensed (as applicable) under the GPL v3
#
# ----------------------


declare upper;


input price = HL2;
input HMA_Length = 21;
input lookback = 2;
input MovingAverage = {default "HMA", "EMA", "SMA", "WMA", "ALMA","TEMA"};

plot HMA = HullMovingAvg(price = price, length = HMA_Length);

# def delta_per_bar =
# (fold n = 0 to lookback with s do s + getValue(HMA, n, lookback - 1)) / lookback;

def delta = HMA[1] - HMA[lookback + 1];
def delta_per_bar = delta / lookback;

def next_bar = HMA[1] + delta_per_bar;

def concavity = if HMA > next_bar then 1 else -1;

plot turning_point = if concavity[1] != concavity then HMA else double.nan;

HMA.AssignValueColor(color = if concavity[1] == -1 then
if HMA > HMA[1] then color.mageNTA else color.yellow else
if HMA < HMA[1] then color.Lime else color.mageNTA);

HMA.SetLineWeight(3);

turning_point.SetLineWeight(4);
turning_point.SetPaintingStrategy(paintingStrategy = PaintingStrategy.POINTS);
turning_point.SetDefaultColor(color.white);

plot MA_Max = if HMA[-1] < HMA and HMA > HMA[1] then HMA else Double.NaN;
MA_Max.SetDefaultColor(Color.WHITE);
MA_Max.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.SQUARES);
MA_Max.SetLineWeight(3);

plot MA_Min = if HMA[-1] > HMA and HMA < HMA[1] then HMA else Double.Nan;
MA_Min.SetDefaultColor(Color.WHITE);
MA_Min.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.TRIANGLES);
MA_Min.SetLineWeight(3);

plot sell = if turning_point and concavity == -1 then high else double.nan;
sell.SetDefaultColor(Color.MAGENTA);
sell.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.ARROW_DOWN);
sell.SetLineWeight(3);

plot buy = if turning_point and concavity == 1 then low else double.nan;
buy.SetDefaultColor(Color.CYAN);
buy.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.ARROW_UP);
buy.SetLineWeight(3);

def divergence = HMA - next_bar;

#addLabel(yes, concat("DIVERGENCE: " , divergence), color = if concavity < 0 then if divergence[1] > divergence then Color.yellow else color.PINK else if divergence[1] < divergence then color.mageNTA else color.yellow);

Alert(MA_Min, text = "Buy", "alert type" = Alert.BAR, sound = Sound.Chimes);

Alert(MA_Max, text = "Sell", "alert type" = Alert.BAR, sound = Sound.Chimes);
 
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burke3472 said:
Hi,
Can anybody help me to add MTF to the following HMA indicator?
Thank you so much in advance.




#Hull Moving Average Concavity and Turning Points
# or
# The Second Derivative of the Hull Moving Average
#
# Author: Seth Urion (Mahsume)
# Version: 2020-02-23 V3
# Faster, but not necessarily mathematically as good as the first
#
# This code is licensed (as applicable) under the GPL v3
#
# ----------------------


declare upper;


input price = HL2;
input HMA_Length = 21;
input lookback = 2;
input MovingAverage = {default "HMA", "EMA", "SMA", "WMA", "ALMA","TEMA"};

plot HMA = HullMovingAvg(price = price, length = HMA_Length);

# def delta_per_bar =
# (fold n = 0 to lookback with s do s + getValue(HMA, n, lookback - 1)) / lookback;

def delta = HMA[1] - HMA[lookback + 1];
def delta_per_bar = delta / lookback;

def next_bar = HMA[1] + delta_per_bar;

def concavity = if HMA > next_bar then 1 else -1;

plot turning_point = if concavity[1] != concavity then HMA else double.nan;

HMA.AssignValueColor(color = if concavity[1] == -1 then
if HMA > HMA[1] then color.mageNTA else color.yellow else
if HMA < HMA[1] then color.Lime else color.mageNTA);

HMA.SetLineWeight(3);

turning_point.SetLineWeight(4);
turning_point.SetPaintingStrategy(paintingStrategy = PaintingStrategy.POINTS);
turning_point.SetDefaultColor(color.white);

plot MA_Max = if HMA[-1] < HMA and HMA > HMA[1] then HMA else Double.NaN;
MA_Max.SetDefaultColor(Color.WHITE);
MA_Max.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.SQUARES);
MA_Max.SetLineWeight(3);

plot MA_Min = if HMA[-1] > HMA and HMA < HMA[1] then HMA else Double.Nan;
MA_Min.SetDefaultColor(Color.WHITE);
MA_Min.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.TRIANGLES);
MA_Min.SetLineWeight(3);

plot sell = if turning_point and concavity == -1 then high else double.nan;
sell.SetDefaultColor(Color.MAGENTA);
sell.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.ARROW_DOWN);
sell.SetLineWeight(3);

plot buy = if turning_point and concavity == 1 then low else double.nan;
buy.SetDefaultColor(Color.CYAN);
buy.SetPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.ARROW_UP);
buy.SetLineWeight(3);

def divergence = HMA - next_bar;

#addLabel(yes, concat("DIVERGENCE: " , divergence), color = if concavity < 0 then if divergence[1] > divergence then Color.yellow else color.PINK else if divergence[1] < divergence then color.mageNTA else color.yellow);

Alert(MA_Min, text = "Buy", "alert type" = Alert.BAR, sound = Sound.Chimes);

Alert(MA_Max, text = "Sell", "alert type" = Alert.BAR, sound = Sound.Chimes);
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This is a repainting indicator. MTF are repainting indicators.
No, putting a repainter on a repainter is not a thing.

However, it is possible to "mimic" a higher aggregation by changing the lengths of the moving averages
Here is someone that made the attempt of plotting different lengths:
https://usethinkscript.com/threads/...ty-questions-for-thinkorswim.7847/#post-83801
 
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mashume said:
So I thought this was interesting enough to warrant looking at. Cool idea.

Code: 
declare upper;

input HMA_Length = 55;
input minutes_between_adjustments = 30;

def trade_time_s = SecondsFromTime(0000);
def delta_t_s = trade_time_s - trade_time_s[1];

def thirty_min_blocks = trade_time_s % (60 * minutes_between_adjustments);

def HMA = MovingAverage(averageType = AverageType.HULL, data = HL2, length = HMA_Length);
def price_at_halfs =  if thirty_min_blocks < thirty_min_blocks[1] then  HL2 - HMA else price_at_halfs[1];

plot HMA_ADJ = HMA + price_at_halfs;
HMA_ADJ.AssignValueColor(if price_at_halfs > 0 then color.dark_green else if price_at_halfs < 0 then color.dark_red else color.black);

plot adjustment_point = if  thirty_min_blocks < thirty_min_blocks[1] then HMA_ADJ else double.nan;

adjustment_point.setPaintingStrategy(PaintingStrategy.POINTS);
adjustment_point.AssignValueColor(if price_at_halfs > 0 then color.dark_green else if price_at_halfs < 0 then color.dark_red else color.black);
adjustment_point.SetLineWeight(5);
Do with it as you will. :)
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Hello.Masume.-
I would like to ask you again about this wonderful script. I am using 1H timeframe. The maximum interval that I can achieve, between two points that take the value of the price, is one day. I would like to ask you if it can be adapted to be able to take intervals greater than one day (between two consecutive points).-Thank you very much.-
 
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Beto said:
Hello.Masume.-
I would like to ask you again about this wonderful script. I am using 1H timeframe. The maximum interval that I can achieve, between two points that take the value of the price, is one day. I would like to ask you if it can be adapted to be able to take intervals greater than one day (between two consecutive points).-Thank you very much.-
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The concavity script does not have a time component, so the phenomenon that you are observing is mostly likely due to market conditions.

You did not provide enough information to determine what 'interval' you are discussing.
In order to continue this conversation; please provide a chart image with the confluence that you see as well as annotating what you are trying to make it appear as.
 
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